9b: October 2012 General Conference Sunday Sessions

Heather and Greg host reviews of the Sunday sessions of General Conference. Panelists include: Clay, Mike, Letti, Amanda, Matt and Meredith.

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  1. Nate G

    I was jogging when I heard this, so I can’t remember exactly where it was said, but about the “why does God require so much adulation” question. . . .

    I’m an atheist now, but my past self might’ve answered the question with something like: “The adulation is for us, not Him.” And I would’ve capitalized Him, just like that.

    Is it possible for the adulation to be a good thing, for us? I guess, as long as it makes people humble. I mean, it’s better than self-adulation, right? which there’s more than enough of. But then people get carried away—my god could beat up your god! And then it’s just a weirdly displaced self-adulation again.

    Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 11:24:21
    • Clay

      Thanks, Nate G, for the input. I could see that argument being used as a way to dodge the reality of the situation, but in my mind, it is still bizarre and unhealthy. I just can’t see a “father” saying, “please kids – every time you wake up, go to sleep, eat, or have a spare moment, tell me how awesome I am and how thankful you are for everything that I give to you.”

      “But dad, don’t you think that is kind of crazy. Sure I appreciate what you do for me, but you really want me to dedicate every waking second to telling you how much of a bad-ass you are.”

      “Don’t worry, kids, you’ll thank me someday – this is for your own good.”

      In my atheistic, apostate, worldly mind, it just doesn’t make sense.

      Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 13:26:48
      • Nate G

        I agree, Clay. If God were an actual person then these demands for praise say terrible things about him. And the incessance of the required adulation is, as you say, unhealthy. I agree that in Mormonism this acts as a very poor lesson about the personality of god, and a lesson that doesn’t make anyone any better.

        I guess what I’m saying is that I like the idea of maintaining a grateful outlook. I think gratitude makes kinder people who are softer around the edges. And I like the idea of us acknowledging that we are not such big shots. According to this book by Sam Harris I just read (Free Will) we shouldn’t be so quick to take credit for our lives. And, if we could define god in some touchy-feely deistic way, say we call him a projection of what is best about humanity (though I know on the ground he often ends up being the opposite) then even as an atheist I could probably get behind celebrating him and taking time out of my day to acknowledge him.

        I’m just exploring an angle here. I really have no interest in couching my humanism in religious terms.

        Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 14:19:58
        • Clay

          Nicely articulated, Nate G. Thanks for posting!

          Reply Oct 19, 2012 @ 14:22:55

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