73: Rock Waterman & Pure Mormonism

Heather interviews Rock Waterman about his life and journey through Mormonism. They also discuss Rock’s current views on the LDS church church, his blog, and recent events in Mormonism.



  1. jeanikins

    The things we have in common are greater than those that divide.

    Reply Jun 25, 2014 @ 13:00:17
  2. ward

    NIce guy but since he reads a lot he should check into Jesus being a myth. I am reading “Ceasar’s messiah” Jesus Puzzle is also good. The man did not exist and the biblical jebus did not exist either. He was a creation to control the rebellious jews that Titus was fighting. Notice how Jesus was a pacifist with “render unto Ceasar” and “slaves obey your masters”
    rock is very smart and I liked the podcast but keep going Rock.. it is turtles all the way down.

    Reply Jun 25, 2014 @ 13:15:24
    • Clay

      Ward. Thanks for listening and commenting.

      Two other good books are from Robert M. Price, Deconstructing Jesus and The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man.

      I agree that there is plenty of scholarship that calls into question the historicity of Jesus.
      However, let’s be careful in that whether or not he existed is ultimately untestable, no?
      We can weigh the evidence and decide whether or not his existence is/was likely or probable, but we would be in error to emphatically say that he positively did not exist, no?

      Reply Jul 03, 2014 @ 15:03:18
  3. jeanikins

    Why should he do it ‘your’ way Ward? It’s his journey and he’s not asking you to follow him is he? He’s just telling about his path. There is room in the big tent for all beliefs, especially those that cause no harm. What harm do his beliefs cause? He is generous and kind; he speaks his mind and is not a blind follower.
    It doesn’t really matter who or what Jesus was, if someone wants to take the message that they feel he gave, of love and kindness rather than war – does it matter?

    I don’t believe in Jesus as a god or anything like that. I’m an atheist. Rock has never tried to persuade me to believe his way.

    Reply Jun 25, 2014 @ 13:50:24
  4. Brian K

    Rock, thank you for coming onto this show. I may not have heard your perspective otherwise. I see things very differently, but after hearing this, I have a ton of respect for you. I really appreciated hearing what you had to say.

    Also, I totally agree with you that it’s so sad to hear people taking pleasure in the idea that someone would be damned… That was a powerful statement for me.

    Reply Jun 26, 2014 @ 17:08:10
  5. Brian K

    Heather, also, thanks for a great interview! I was really curious how this one would go, and I’m so happy it was open, honest, and respectful on both sides. That’s why I love this podcast.

    Reply Jun 26, 2014 @ 17:09:59
  6. jbm1


    Having met Jesus Christ, I can tell you He is real.

    You forget the scriptures teach that God “gives unto us according the desires of our hearts”.

    Or, as the Psalmist wrote, and Jesus said: “as a man thinketh so is he”.

    We cannot see God, because we don’t think we can see God. We cannot meet the Christ, because we cannot imagine that reality within our own minds. We cannot hit a target we cannot see.

    But we cannot see a target, that we don’t even look for, regardless if we know what it looks like.

    The God I know, the Jesus I know, is not the God I looked for. He is more, and He is less. He is a paradoxical God. He loves passionately, but is fierce! He is forgiving, but is beyond the strictest disciplinarian I have ever met.

    The Jesus I know does not play games. He does not play let’s suppose, He Is.

    Until we as a people, are willing to be people, in the same form God is willing to be God, we will never see Jesus.

    For us to see Jesus, we as people, must begin living the same spiritual realities.

    “such as supposing in our hearts we can see”. That is might be possible.

    Reply Jul 16, 2014 @ 20:27:56
    • Adrie de Jong

      Amen ! I love to read your words !
      Peace, Adrie de Jong

      Reply Jul 20, 2014 @ 07:57:31
  7. Adrie de Jong

    Thank you for mentioning the story about Joseph Smith by Samuel Taylor !
    Great to read and learned a lot ! :o)

    For those who want to read it, too, here it is:

    Mentioned in Rock’s first blog:

    And directly to the story:

    Enjoy !

    Adrie de Jong

    Reply Jul 20, 2014 @ 08:07:47

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