Clay and Heather host reviews of the Saturday sessions of General Conference. Panelists include Jeff, Laura, Greg, and Craig.
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Thank you ALL for these two episodes! I was really looking forward to them! Funny how different people get hung-up on the same things in these talks…
Ummm, when I looked up the Nicoliatans, as far as I could tell we know pretty much nothing about them. We can presume they probably tried to mix polytheistic religion into their Christianity, but who they actually were or believed has been pretty much lost to history. I think we have a case of people confusing authority with history. With enough time authority figures statements get mixed into a mash of bizarre unsupported statements.
Thanks, Owl, for the info on the Nicoliatans! I appreciate your input.
I think I am officially turned off by the negative tone if these podcasts. I especially found Heather and Greg to be especially unbearable. Heather babbling on about women’s issues all the time gets really old. I find the reviewing to be extremely closed-minded , mean-spirited and overly cynical.
I’m having a hard time taking your criticism seriously since it seems you didn’t really listen to the episode. I didn’t talk about women’s issues once (and I’m widely known as someone who doesn’t expend a lot of energy on feminism or call myself a feminist). Laura, on the other hand, did. But, it’s too bad you refused to listen to what she had to say. She made some very good points in her criticisms.
Michael, I think the problem here is that the free passes are over for the top 15 and for the sisters that talk in the sing songy voices. They don’t just get to keep making the same unsupported assertions without being called on it. For example, Clay and Co. rip on the whole “the world is getting worse, darker”… sounds negative to you right? So who is making the unreasonable and unsupportable statements here……..Clay or the Apostle? Listen to this podcast and then come back and let us know what you think.
I loved the Pinker reference and I enjoy listening to Point of Inquiry. It is not the fault of the panelists that these conference talks don’t come close to holding up to critical examination.
I think the real problem is that for tbms everything that is said in conference is great, all the time, every time. There is no such thing as faithful disagreement. You simply agree with everything that was said and move on to the next talk. And let’s be honest, not only just agree but say things like, “that was amazing, that talk was the best, Wo, he just dropped the hammer on that one!” The phrase drinking the koolaid comes to mind.
Everything is always rosy and right in Mormon world. Anything that is critical or thoughtfully disagrees with anything a GA says is perceived as negative because to a tbm, a thoughtful criticism of a conference talk is simply inconceivable. Every talk is awesome!
It must be unnerving for some when these talks are held accountable and exposed by everyday, normal people. The fact that Heather can cut right through and expose these talks is not her problem but rather the problem of the person who wrote the talk. Some things they say are good, some things they say are bad, some things they say are helpful and some things they say are harmful. It really should not be that big a deal.
Is it reasonable to believe that there is nothing bad about these talks..ever?
Seasick…I love Point of Inquiry!
Conference Review- A Preface and a Note to Believers | notjustonereason
[…] A Preface: A couple months ago was LDS General Conference. For those uninitiated it’s five “sessions” that are two hours long each in two days. That’s 10 hours of speakers, songs and prayers. One of those sessions is the ‘Priesthood Session’ so only men are supposed to watch that one (generally at a church building while wearing Sunday dress clothes). There is a meeting the week before that is 90 minutes long for women. In the spring it’s specifically geared to the Young Women (girls ages 12-18) and in the Fall it’s geared towards the women in the church (Relief Society Meeting- women ages 18+). When I was active (and as a child) I listened to all of conference minus the priesthood session. Now that I’m no longer active… I still listen to most of it- and reviews of all of it. (Reviews Here Here and Here) […]
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