105: The Apocrypha

What is apocrypha? Where did it “come from”? How is it viewed by other religious groups? What is the Mormon relationship to it? Did apocrypha affect the development of Mormon scripture or theology? Is there such a thing as Mormon apocrypha? Listen as Tom, Mithryn, and Heather discuss this somewhat obscure subject.

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  1. saintralph343

    I love that a lot of the stuff—most of the stuff—I understood to be basic Mormon doctrine, the doctrine that sets Mormonism apart from other religions, came from the Book of Abraham, the King Follett Discourse and the Journal of Discourses and not just from the D&C. I get the impression that a lot of this stuff lives on in the ethereal limbo of the church “manuals,” cherry-picked, incomplete, uncanonized and unattributed. At first I thought, “That’s terrible, it could be lost so easily!” Now, I realize that that’s more than likely the point: It could be lost SO easily—and conveniently. To publish doctrine, or worse yet canonize it, kind of leaves it writ big—in stone—where everyone can see it and call you out if you try to change it.

    Along the same lines, I recently heard that LDS, Inc. would love for the Journal of Discourses to go away and have in fact let them go out of print, but the Fundamentalist churches keep re-publishing them. I don’t know, but it makes a good story and I’m all about good stories.

    Thank you all for a very entertaining and informative podcast.

    Reply Dec 21, 2015 @ 08:13:19
  2. Doubting Thomas

    THANK YOU for getting rid of that techno intro music. That sound was driving me CRAZY! Love what you guys do. The topics. The participants. Thanks to all of you and Happy Kwanza!

    Reply Dec 21, 2015 @ 16:53:27
    • Expositor's Heather

      Bad news, Doubting Thomas. This intro music is just for December. The 8-bit hymns come back in January. But hopefully you’ll keep listening. Even if you fast forward the first bit. ;)

      Reply Dec 21, 2015 @ 17:01:00
    • saintralph343

      I LOVE “Pacman Plays Mormonism’s Greatest Hits!” Seb did a wonderful job on that. I suggest listening to it on a full size stereo system. It has a wicked bass line that is not as apparent on a phone or a laptop.

      Reply Dec 21, 2015 @ 18:01:14
  3. saintralph343

    Another take on apocrypha is as Holy Scripture’s “Gag Reel with Deleted Scenes.” If that’s the case, I can’t wait until they unearth the “Making Of . . .” featurette.

    Conversely, you could call all of the stuff on the DVD besides the movie apocrypha. It’s a really apt term seeing as how sometimes the bonus material is as good as or better than the movie and other times it’s just dryer lint. Insights abound.

    Reply Dec 22, 2015 @ 02:33:31
    • Ephima Morphew

      ” just dryer lint. Insights abound”.
      the bonus material is as good as or better than the movie and other times it’s just dryer lint. Insights abound.
      Yes, that dryer lint does build up to clog the meaning of life.

      Reply Jan 10, 2016 @ 02:53:41
  4. mrsnesbit8

    This was fascinating! I have spent over an hour looking up the Apocrypha online now. I haven’t been able to find where the name “nephi” or “nefi” (not sure how it was spelled originally). I have gone through 1 Macabee and most of 2nd. Does anyone have a reference? Judith is fascinating.

    Reply Jan 03, 2016 @ 10:42:04
    • Susan

      I found it in 2 Maccabees 1:36 – “And Neemias called this thing Naphthar, which is as much as to say, a cleansing: but many men call it Nephi.”

      Reply Jan 06, 2016 @ 17:24:03
  5. Susan

    Very interesting, thanks for posting! It’s neat to discover how many sources Joseph Smith actually DID have at his disposal. People I know always says, “there’s no way he could have known these things.” Actually, the things he “revealed” match up with the knowledge and sources available at the time.

    Reply Jan 06, 2016 @ 17:39:23

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