1: Folk Doctrines and Fringe Beliefs

Brandt hosts the inaugural episode of the Mormon Expositor Podcast with panelists: Amy, Greg, and Heather. Brandt quickly introduces the podcast and then the panel has a lighthearted conversation about their favorite Mormon folk doctrines and fringe beliefs.

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  1. Darrick Evenson

    On my mission, in San Jose California, it got hot in the Summer: 100 to 110 during the day. Many people had pools. We were not allowed to swim in anyone’s pool, even though many non-members invited us to. Also, my first mission president, President Moyes, told us that we are to take showers instead of baths, because the Devil had control of the water in baths too. Not EVEN kidding! I remember thinking how missionaries in places that didn’t have showers got clean. Ridiculous folk beliefs exist in all religions among the less-intellectual, and Mormonism is no exception; except that when Mormon leaders expouse their own folk beliefs during General Conference, or even elsewhere, most Mormons assume it is Eternal Gospel Truth because “The Prophet said it”.

    Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 10:10:51
  2. Megan von Ackermann

    My mother believes very firmly that if you use a Ouija board or try anything like automatic writing you are inviting Satan (or his minions) into your mind and you can be taken over. She swears it happened to my grandmother, although the symptoms, apparently, were that my grandmother spent more time than she intended to dinking around with a pad of paper and a pencil. However, when I won a Ouija board in a school contest and proudly brought it home it mysteriously disappeared within the week (she did cop to the theft when I asked her about it last month – but she claimed she saved my soul so the sin was worth it.)

    Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 16:49:02
    • brandt

      YES Ouija boards were TOTALLY demonized in my family! I was at a party once when I was like, 12 years old, and they whipped a Ouija board out. Never having seen it at all, I was intrigued, and played around with it with others all night. When my mom picked me up, she asked what we did at the party, and I told her. It was like I told her that her dog had died – she told me it was COMPLETELY inappropriate, it was of the devil, and we were communicating with BAD BAD SPIRITS. That is totally one.

      Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 16:55:36
      • Greg Rockwell

        Yep. The fear of Ouija boards was put in me as a young pup. I still have never TOUCHED one.

        Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 21:12:27
        • Heather C.

          I suddenly want to do an “ask the Ouija board” episode.

          Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 21:36:54
        • Nate G

          As a youngster I went through a little warlock phase, and I had numerous experiences with ouija boards. There were one or two that, to this day, I can’t really account for, and as a nonbeliever they bother me.

          Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 11:57:58
          • Heather

            Care to share?

            Oct 16, 2012 @ 12:01:40
          • Nate G

            Well, okay. But seeing as how I’ve just begun posting here on MoExpo I want to disclaim: I know how this sounds. I am a perfectly rational (or, anyway, as irrational as everybody else) person who denies all forms of hoodoo. These are the experiences of a 13 year-old boy by a 36 year-old guy.

            1 – I walked into the Junior High library and a bunch of kids were gathered around a back table and two girls working a ouija board (this was my first time seeing one). I crept up and peaked over kids’ heads. I didn’t know the girls who were operating it very well, and I certainly NEVER shared anything about my religion with them. When I got close, the planchet started getting all dodgy and shaky. One of the girls asked what was wrong. The board spelled out my name. (Chills!) Everyone turned and looked at me. I swear no one even saw me come in! Next they asked what about me was so disturbing? The board spelled out “Priesthood.” (Shit!) They all stopped and asked me what the heck priesthood was. I, embarrassed, said it was something to do with my church. (By the way, I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area where people are not as familiar with Mormons as they are in Utah.)

            2 – After that experience I was curious, and it got to be a little fad going around my school, so me and one other unpopular kid used to get together after school and try it. One time we were talking to a new spirit we hadn’t talked to before who claimed to have murdered Jesus. I, having aced numerous primary lessons, said, Nobody murdered Jesus. Then he said his name was “Barabbus.” I had no idea who that was, and my friend, who was less religious than me, didn’t either. But we dug out his family’s bible and reviewed the crucifixion story. We found out Barabbus was the guy whose life was spared instead of Jesus’ when Pilate gave the Jews the get-out-of-execution-free-on-Passover coupon. Now, I’m not saying we were actually talking to that guy, Barabbus, but I struggle to explain how that name would’ve come up and how to explain it’s (almost) correct attribution to what to a 13 year-old was an obscure biblical detail.

            The first experience is a bit more troubling than the second one. The first one I have no explanation for, since I wasn’t myself controlling the board. But perhaps the girl working the board knew more than she thought she knew (like how people sometimes recover information under hypnosis that they didn’t consciously know). This feels thin, though, explaining hoodoo with something only a little less hoodoo-ish. The second experience I can think of not-impossible explanations, because of the friend I was with. Once, when I got scared over a spell he cast (geesh, I know how that sounds, really) and some freaky stuff was happening on the board (the “spirit” was getting more forceful and, when asked for an explanation, said it was getting “in us”) I said I quit, that I didn’t want to do it anymore. But my friend said, come on, he was only messing with me. He was moving the planchet that time. I don’t know if he was moving it then or not, but I figure it’s a possibility and so it’s also possible he was moving it during the Barabbus episode, though how he would’ve known anything about Barabbus I don’t know. So it seems unlikely but not impossible.

            Oct 16, 2012 @ 13:13:56
      • sonya_d

        I played with a Ouija board several times during a one year period. Several things happened that scared the sh** out of me. I had to sleep with my bedroom door open and the hallway light on for a few years afterwards. No joke. I don’t remember what any of it was now.

        I do remember that when I asked who I would marry, it told me Scott Peters. So if anyone knows someone named Scott Peters, give him my number.

        Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 01:45:00
  3. Heather C.

    While listening to this episode in production, I felt bad for not standing up for Brandt in the holy ghost/angel hormoni debate. Perhaps a more tenable explanation is not that the holy ghost removes influence after midnight… but that one is less willing to listen to the promptings when time gets late?

    Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 20:31:50
    • Megan von Ackermann

      It was worth it just for Hormoni – I’d never ever heard that one before!

      Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 22:29:15
      • Kris Fielding

        That one made my laugh hysterically. It’s a great costume idea for the ward Halloween party this year.

        Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 05:43:12
  4. Jay Bryner

    Sleeper cells in the war in heaven. The fifth column! I remember reading this in the Tennis Shoes among the Nephites books. (Yes. I read them. Sigh.)

    I also heard this in my Pearl of Great Price class at BYU. Professor – Richard Draper. This says to me that this may be a fringy folk doctrine, but it isn’t out of step enough to get somebody ostracized from BYU. Therefore it isn’t that fringy.

    Reply Aug 01, 2012 @ 22:52:37
  5. sonya_d

    Fantastic first episode!

    About the tithing discussion… I loved the story that Amy told about people choosing to pay tithing instead of their mortgages and then they had to apply for low-income housing after losing their homes. So… pay your tithing, but then take advantage of tax-subsized housing.

    It’s win-win, really.

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 01:55:42
  6. Teresa

    In reference to tithing. I believe there is no relationship between paying ones tithing and financial ‘blessings’… I have found ‘gratitude’ works better.
    When money was tight, I would express gratitude as I paid my bills. I was truly grateful to have the money to pay the bills, and whenever I went to pay the bills, there was always enough money for all the bills, as well as all my other expenses.
    I enjoyed this first podcast and am looking forward to future ones.
    Thanks!

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 06:57:32
  7. Richard Harris

    Never tried this before but since there’s a way to post using my Facebook account, here goes… Enjoyed the episode! You guys (which includes gals) all did great. I especially enjoyed Greg’s comments and Brandt’s *sigh*s and poking back.

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 15:40:42
  8. Stacia

    Brandt. You *must* write a play entitled “My Time in Idaho”. You simply. must.

    Great first podcast, all!

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 16:54:36
    • brandt

      Stacia –

      I surprise even myself at how many of my stories begin “During My Time in Idaho…”

      From the old timers, to snotty students, to the wonderful BYU-Idaho administration. Oh, and as someone who has always lived around a melting-pot of diversity, being around all those white Mormons was very very very odd.

      Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 17:56:01
  9. measure76

    Orson Scott Card had some research into the Joseph/Brigham transmogrification at the end of his book “Saints”. You can read it on amazon’s page for the book, its on page 559-560, I put a direct link in the reddit thread for this podcast.

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 20:03:21
  10. RJ

    The teaching about satan having control over the water is one that I gave some heed to when I was younger and used to freak me out. I now have a working theory about this folk doctrine. As we know Joseph rarely pulled his ideas out of thin air, but had a great talent for taking obscure tidbits from scripture and expanding and synthesizing them into the concepts he was interested in. I think the doctrine has roots in these old testament scriptures.

    Habakkuk 3:8
    8Was the Lord displeased against the rivers? was thine anger against the rivers? was thy wrath against the sea, that thou didst ride upon thine horses and thy chariots of salvation?

    Isaiah 27:1,
    1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    Psalms 74:13-14
    13Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
    14Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

    I recently read something in the book “The Evolution of God”, by Robert Wright about these scriptures that sort of tweaked my brain, given that I used to totally be freaked out by this doctrine.

    In the book, to put it in my own very unrefined terms, Wright argues that the ancient religion of Israel started out as polytheistic, evolved into monolatry, then finally settled into monotheism. He also argues that, Yahweh, started out as one of many polytheistic gods and evolved from and fused with other gods, taking on some of their key attributes in the process of becoming the One True God. He writes that Yahweh’s family tree contains the DNA of other gods including the Canaanite god Baal. Wright explains that the scriptures above in Psalms and Isaiah, mirror the Canaanite myths concerning Baal, when Baal conquered the god Lotan (connected linguistically to leviathan), which was a seven headed dragon, and Yam, the god of the sea. Yam is also the Hebrew word for sea.

    For one reason or another it was a bit mind-bending for me to consider the possibility that this ancient myth could weave its way through time, from pagan polytheistic lore, into Jewish monotheistic beliefs, to my own Christian/Mormon doctrine, and have real-world consequences in my life. I understand that many aspects of contemporary religious practice and belief have roots in the ancient past. However, somehow it really tweaked my brain to think of how this sort of obscure “folk doctrine” in our church, could have roots in ancient myths surrounding Baal. That this myth was synthesized by Joseph Smith to suit a narrative in his day, then later passed on from one generation to the next, to be ultimately be taught to me and have such a powerful real impact on my mind.

    Reply Aug 02, 2012 @ 22:26:57
    • Greg Rockwell

      Really great comment, RJ.

      This is the kind of kick-ass commenting we need around here.

      Reply Aug 13, 2012 @ 15:21:25
  11. jeanikins

    Another one: In England – the Word of Wisdom. If it is called tea you shouldn’t drink it. Didn’t matter whether it was mint tea or ginger root tea. The Word of Wisdom says TEA DOESN’T IT?

    Reply Aug 03, 2012 @ 01:32:42
    • Heather C.

      Jean – Before my official disaffection I was having some trouble with stomach upset in the mornings. No, not pregnancy related. haha. Anyway, a friend suggested peppermint tea. I was desperate to try anything so I started asking people about tea and started looking around to find out exactly what was contained in tea. I discovered that tea isn’t tea unless it’s composed of a specific plant and that anything else SHOULD be called an infusion, not a tea. EVEN THEN it took me A LOT of convincing to get over my hang-up and just try it. Even when I did I felt like I was sinning for a good long while. But I tell you what. It worked for my stomach ache. :)

      Reply Aug 03, 2012 @ 01:49:41
      • Jay Bryner

        One time in high school (I was a runner in high school) I got a coupon for a free 2 liters of gatorade, to push their new flavor – Iced Tea flavor. It tasted like lemon. My Mom didn’t like it one bit, and made my dad give me a long lecture about how I need to keep the word of wisdom. Yes, that includes gatorade with no actual tea in it.

        Reply Aug 06, 2012 @ 19:26:42
      • Steve In Millcreek (SIM)

        I totally relate with Jean, Heather and Jay on this Tea-in-Word-of-Wisdom issue. As a teen, I asked thoughtful gospel questions to respected adults who gave me confusing and scattered answers; and defining and clarifying the taboo on tea had, perhaps, the greatest number of confusing parts for me. Heather’s reply about most so-called teas are “infusions”; and that tea defines a specific plant ingredient approaches a clear explanation. In brief, my teenage questions were:

        Is tea an ingredient or a cooking process? In other words, any solid food soaked in hot water could become a tea? Is broth, thin soup and tea the same thing? If not, how do I tell them apart?

        D & C 89 says no “hot drinks” and leaders define as tea and coffee. Does that mean that iced tea or iced coffee are against the W of W? (Conclusion: yes.) Is coffee a “hot drink” because of temperature, caffeine content or something else? (Depends upon which leader asked.) Iced decaf coffee forbidden? Is Green Tea forbidden, a tea that widely claims dietary/medical benefits?

        Product marketers may put tea or coffee in a variety of products. For example, is “coffee-flavored yogurt” forbidden? In a box of mixed chocolates, should I discard the “coffee” ones? Should I discretely discard it when luck draws that one at the house of a host?

        If I am empowered to make my own decision, then I accept that; however, it is not uncommon for a flagship General Conference speaker to advance “keeping commandments with exactness”, and such inclusions appear to force default to the most conservative conclusion.

        Comments?

        More generally, is this entire topic a matter of Health, or a test of Faithfulness?

        Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 23:16:17
  12. Clay

    Nice conversation, folks. “Doctrines of Salvation,” and early “Mormon Doctrine” are go-to books for folk doctrines. One of my favorites is that the Sun and other stars are Celestial kingdoms. dragons are “pre-flood” creatures, dinosaurs are remains of other planets that were pieced together when forming this planet and the list can go on and on.

    In comment about your garment discussion and it as a protection. There was a very real feeling among some early church members that the reason Joseph Smith and others died in Carthage was because they had taken there garments off. In addition to it protecting burn victims, I also was told a story by my mother; supposedly the garment will also protect against chainsaws! The story went that my grandpa was chainsawing away, hit a knot, the chainsaw slammed into his leg and went through his jeans but not his garments….

    Nice discussion!

    Reply Aug 03, 2012 @ 20:08:44
  13. Clay

    Another one that I forgot about and is one of my favorites – “dusting ones feet off” at someone or some group of people to curse them.

    Reply Aug 05, 2012 @ 01:37:38
  14. JennWestfall

    I REALLY enjoyed this podcast. I am somewhat embarassed to say that i believed ALL of these things when I was a TBM. Although I had never heard of Angel Hormoni before today….

    Reply Aug 05, 2012 @ 02:44:57
  15. Brad

    Great first episode!
    Re: garment protection. It was so widespread in the church that it almost doesn’t qualify as a folk doctrine. Of course the church claims that physical protection is not doctrinal. But as a teenager I could have sworn that the New Era published an article about a burn victim that survived because of his garments. I’ve searched for it, but I can’t find it. But it would have been in the mid 80’s. Oh well, at least we have Willard Marriott that we can trust.

    Reply Aug 05, 2012 @ 16:56:37
  16. Mike

    I always thought the belief that this was the most wicked world ever created by God strange. And when Jesus died he died not just for this world but every world God created. I use to have visions of all the others righteous worlds where every thing was hunky dory. No crime, everyone was wealthy and healthy.

    Reply Aug 07, 2012 @ 03:53:14
    • Greg Rockwell

      I don’t know if I had those kinds of visions… but I used to think about what it would be like to be on a planet and be taught, “Jesus, an inhabitant on a distant planet, died for your sins…”

      Eventually I just concluded that it took as much faith for me to think that he died for my sins 2000 years ago as the idea that he died for them a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…

      (I wouldn’t accept that analogue now.)

      Reply Aug 13, 2012 @ 15:25:45
  17. jack

    lol the mormon expositor from 1800s salt lake was a crazy read. were the b word s word and whore not bad words back then? guess not . they wanted to get rid of the prostitutes which is understandable. why didnt the gents just marry a bunch of women and join the church. answer is they couldnt afford it. they got more sex from visiting prostitutes which leads me to believe that polygamy wasnt about the sex really

    Reply Aug 08, 2012 @ 00:46:57
  18. Gilderoy Lockhart

    Hey…so can you guys have a “Doctrine for Dummies” podcast? One thing that I think would be an interesting discussion would be what exactly _is_ Doctrine, and you can look at all the doctrinal changes.

    But none-the-less, this was a well done podcast. Keep up the good work!

    Reply Aug 09, 2012 @ 16:01:03
  19. Sam

    Some of the arrogance displayed in this podcast is pretty sour. Calling some of these fringe beliefs stupid strikes me as very disrespectful. I enjoy the intellectual exploration here, but some people come across a bit too high-and-mighty and don’t make me want to come back.

    Reply Aug 10, 2012 @ 21:15:57
    • Blorg Jorgensson

      But… some of them ARE stupid, almost objectively so. I mean, there’s no way around it. That’s not to say that those who believe them are stupid. But the overwhelming lack of evidence, or even abundance of contradictory evidence, makes the belief… well, stupid. I see no point in sugar-coating it, and the mere use of the word “stupid” does not convey arrogance. This is a CASUAL intellectual exploration, not an academic exercise.

      If you’d like to defend particular folk beliefs — even just to say that they are shared cultural stories — then go for it. But to consider them literal beliefs… that’s just stupid.

      This is why I prefer the mistakes of science over those of religion. With science, at least an error stemmed from an attempt at objective observation and study. With religion, errors often stem from someone making some stupid, utterly baseless claim and having it catch on.

      Okay, I’ve probably used the word “stupid” too gratuitously.

      Reply Aug 11, 2012 @ 20:41:00
    • Greg Rockwell

      Sam, as the resident “bit too high-and-mighty” offender, I’m sorry you found things disrespectful.

      Just think how the creator of the universe must feel when he/she/it hears people saying that changes in the human time reckoning have an impact on said being’s divine powers. It would be a bit galling, don’t you think? ;)

      Reply Aug 13, 2012 @ 15:30:24
  20. Laura Pehrson Williams

    I was surprised that no one talked about the belief that if we saw the telestial kingdom we would all kill ourselves to get there.

    Reply Aug 13, 2012 @ 03:27:54
    • Greg Rockwell

      Great point. As far as I understand, that one is also truly fringey, with no reputable source for it.

      Does anyone have a source for that?

      Reply Aug 13, 2012 @ 15:31:33
    • JennWestfall

      Oh yes, that is a good one! Totally believed that one as well. I always heard that Joseph said it when he first taught the Plan of Salvation, but I have no official reference for it.

      Reply Aug 14, 2012 @ 11:00:43
      • shenpa warriorrrior

        Incidentally, this one was refuted for me by… wait for it…

        A CES seminary teacher!

        Reply Aug 15, 2012 @ 15:22:22
        • Steve In Millcreek (SIM)

          Shenpa, help me better understand: Was it a good or bad/sad thing that a CES seminary teacher refuted that piece of forklore for you? I mean, compared with a non-CES person?

          In your opinion, (and in general), are CES people refuting forklore that other CES people created; or do you see CES as refuting forklore not created by them? Expressed differently, do CES people create or refute more forklore than they (or other CES people) created? This is a sincere inquiry to all readers.

          Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 22:33:45
  21. shades of grey

    You guys are missing the very best “Mormon-lore” of all (or at least I’m assuming there is not a speck of doctrine to it…sometimes all this all gets blurry as a tbm some-what in the middle-way) about the 3-nephites that are immortal and roam the earth doing good samaritan acts and all the sightings or possible situations that people heard of where they had an aunt that was helped late at night on the side of the road by several men that didn’t speak but several words and they were of “curious yester-year disposition”. Also this may have been more of a personal misconception but I can nearly swear i was taught that it was possible anyone of us could be one of these Immortal-Three but not know it until you passed the age of mortality and then you would just fade off and wander the desert meeting up with the other two. I remember fantasizing as a young deacon that it was possible that my grandfather, father and I could be these Nephites (silly at that time in my tender mind) because I thought it was possible we were extra valiant

    Reply Aug 14, 2012 @ 18:12:31
  22. MrSchadow

    Damn, I wanted to jump through the podcast when it was Mentioned hearing people talk about children born with Downs Syndrome being the one’s that escorted Satan out of the Premortal world.
    I’ve mentioned this in the exmormon sub-reddit, but there was a kid in my high school that recieved his Pat. Blessing a short time before he died. I personally read his blessing, along with my mom, and the kid’s mom even read it in Sacr. Meeting. It literally said that he had Downs as a blessing from Heavenly Father so that he would be protected because he personally escorted Satan out. So, this isn’t just one of those rumors you hear about.

    Reply Aug 15, 2012 @ 18:44:31
    • LifeOnaPlate

      MrSchadow, I am looking for the origin of this particular piece of Mormon folklore. Would you by chance be comfortable with contacting them to discover if they are willing to share their experience? If so, let me know at lifeonaplate [at] gmail.

      Reply Sep 09, 2012 @ 17:46:16
      • brandt

        Blair,

        Love your site. Glad to see you commenting over here.

        I’d love to see the origins of this one as well. This is one that seems to really scream out as LDS people trying to make sense out of a “bad” situation (depending on one’s point of view). I’d love to see how far back this one goes.

        Reply Sep 10, 2012 @ 16:52:47
  23. latterdaydeist

    Brandt, I really enjoyed the podcast! But one bit of feedback. Too much sighing! Own your position, own your convictions. You have good reason for believing as you do. Just because the more unruly ones on the podcast may share things that are scratchy don’t seem offended and impatient. I am pretty much a non-believer who holds a position of responsibility and is active for family reasons, but I see much good that can be accomplished in the organization. Play it like you mean it. Keep up the good work.

    Reply Aug 18, 2012 @ 01:46:45
  24. Michael Gonda (@SenorGonda)

    Wow. Talk about saving the best for first. If this first podcast is any indication of how all the rest will be, I am pumped about this new endeavor. This one was excellent. And though I can see how Greg might come across as harsh to some listeners, I love the occasional “batshit” comment. Greg makes me chuckle, a lot.

    If Jesus visits the temple, why does he need to turn the lights on, and why does he need to see in the dark? Everywhere that guy goes, it is really bright, you know? You really can’t even see him without a heavenly change in your eyes, because the brightness is above the glory of the sun. Which, I guess would mean that something special must happen in the temple when Jesus walks the halls, or the temples would burn in flames. Yeah… gotta love folk doctrines.

    Loved the discussion of “sleepers.” It made me pull out a copy of “The Miracle of Forgiveness” and read the part about David Patton meeting Cain/Bigfoot/Sasquatch in the woods. And Mormon Doctrine under “Cain” does say that Cain covenanted with Lucifer before the foundation of the world, but it doesn’t really describe of Cain got through to the next estate. Sly bastard (Cain, not McConkie, although….).

    I think the best part of the podcast was it made me really consider the really big folk doctrines that a majority of Mormons still accept. As Bengt Washburn has said, “One person believing something crazy is a nut. A group of people believing something crazy is a religion.” It seems kind of harsh, but there are certain doctrines that are just as batcrap as any talked about on this discussion, in certain ways. Book of Mormon, gold plates, angels, God, Jesus appearing, these things would seem really strange to any Mormon today, if someone got up in testimony meeting and said they had similar experiences. But since a lot of people believe it happened in 1830, then well, it’s “normal” doctrine.

    Like the doctrine of the 2nd coming. It’s not folk at all. It’s going to happen. Patriarchs even promised it would already happen to people died decades ago. Still, people are sure it’s coming soon.

    Thanks all, this podcast rocked. (The angel Hormoni and God helps you find your keys to your Toyota Siena while Satan drowns your children in the swimming pool tie FTW).

    Reply Aug 18, 2012 @ 20:31:15
  25. Steve In Millcreek (SIM)

    Here’s another one: Mormon Funeral Formalities.

    Full casket burial, not cremation; facing east to arise on the Morning of Resurrection; temple clothing burial whenever possible; bishop’s oversight of chapel events.

    I have fond childhood memories attending extended family funerals, each with the aire of a reunion, not a funeral; jovial, fun, light hearted, telling jokes and humorous stories about the beloved deceased during the informal parts of the day.

    Reply Oct 16, 2012 @ 22:18:09
  26. Boudreaux

    Wow, this has to be one of my favorite mormon related podcasts, on so many levels.
    First, do you guys think this phenomena is just a Utah-Idaho thing, or church wide? I’ve lived in and out of “the missionfield”, and it seems like the absolute craziest things I’ve ever heard came out of Rexburg/Ricks or anywhere south of Draper (Provo and South).

    I’m kinda surprised noone brought up the plethora of interpretations of the Word of Wisdom and caffine.

    Reply Aug 05, 2013 @ 18:20:09
  27. Spryduck

    I just found this podcast and I am cracking up. I love it. I’m not the only one thinking this way.

    A couple of related favorite mission stories:
    Mission President’s wife during a talk on the sacredness of garments told a story of folks who got thrown out of rafts while whitewater rafting. When the bodies were recovered, only their garments were intact. All other clothing had been torn off. This is a testimony of the protective powers of garments. They were recovering the intact garments from dead people. How is this protection? More a testimony of the durability of polyester blends.

    A different mission president was giving a talk on the dangers (kudos to him) of using faith promoting rumors. After specifically debunking one rumor, a missionary raised his hand and asked the mission president for a copy of the story that had just been debunked.

    Reply Aug 30, 2015 @ 18:19:42

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